No plan to attack Capitol: Rhodes tells jury
Oath Keepers founder says it was ‘stupid’ for members to enter building
Stewart Rhodes, the founder of the US far-right Oath Keepers group, told a jury on Monday that he never ordered members to storm the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and he thought it was "stupid" that some of them decided to enter the building.
Rhodes, a Yale Law-educated former US Army paratrooper, is on trial along with Oath Keeper associates Thomas Caldwell, Kenneth Harrelson, Kelly Meggs and Jessica Watkins on multiple charges in connection with the attack by supporters of then president Donald Trump on the US Capitol that sent lawmakers and staffers fleeing for their lives.
In his second day of testifying on the stand in his own defense, Rhodes called the events of January 6 "horrific" and said anyone who tried to assault police officers that day "should be prosecuted."
"I didn't want them to get wrapped up in all the nonsense with the Trump supporters around the Capitol. I wanted to keep them out of that. Idle hands are a devil's playground," Rhodes said.
The five Oath Keeper associates are facing felony charges including seditious conspiracy, which carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.
The government contends the Oath Keepers plotted to use force to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's election victory, with defendants Meggs, Watkins and Harrelson entering the building clad in tactical gear.
Prosecutors also allege the Oath Keepers staged a "quick reaction force" (QRF) in a nearby Virginia hotel, a plan which entailed stockpiling firearms that could be ferried across the river into the capital if needed.
Rhodes testified that on January 6, 2021, Meggs was supposed to oversee a small team of Oath Keepers who were tasked with providing security to the entourage of Ali Alexander, a leading Stop the Steal pro-Trump activist who denied Biden's election victory.
But Rhodes said Meggs apparently did not follow through on his assignment, and he could not locate Meggs or hear him over the sounds of the crowd once he reached him by cellphone.
It was not until later in the day, Rhodes said, that he learned Meggs had actually breached the building.
"Was there a plan to go in and disrupt the election?" Rhodes' defense attorney Phillip Linder asked.
"No, never," Rhodes replied.
When Linder asked Rhodes how he reacted to the news that Meggs had breached the Capitol, Rhodes recalled telling him, "That was stupid."
Rhodes also denied knowing any of the details about the QRF establishment in Virginia.
During cross-examination on Monday, prosecutor Kathryn Rakoczy showed the jury text messages between Rhodes and other Oath Keepers in the lead-up to January 6.
In one text to Rhodes, Meggs says he is busy setting up a QRF.
"Ok, we will have a QRF," Rhodes responded on January 2. "This situation calls for it."
Rhodes said some of the messages about the QRF were exchanged in a group chat where he did not always read everything, though he acknowledged being the administrator of the chat.
Rhodes, a Yale Law-educated former US Army paratrooper, is on trial along with Oath Keeper associates Thomas Caldwell, Kenneth Harrelson, Kelly Meggs and Jessica Watkins on multiple charges in connection with the attack by supporters of then president Donald Trump on the US Capitol that sent lawmakers and staffers fleeing for their lives.
In his second day of testifying on the stand in his own defense, Rhodes called the events of January 6 "horrific" and said anyone who tried to assault police officers that day "should be prosecuted."
"I didn't want them to get wrapped up in all the nonsense with the Trump supporters around the Capitol. I wanted to keep them out of that. Idle hands are a devil's playground," Rhodes said.
The five Oath Keeper associates are facing felony charges including seditious conspiracy, which carries a sentence of up to 20 years in prison.
The government contends the Oath Keepers plotted to use force to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's election victory, with defendants Meggs, Watkins and Harrelson entering the building clad in tactical gear.
Prosecutors also allege the Oath Keepers staged a "quick reaction force" (QRF) in a nearby Virginia hotel, a plan which entailed stockpiling firearms that could be ferried across the river into the capital if needed.
Rhodes testified that on January 6, 2021, Meggs was supposed to oversee a small team of Oath Keepers who were tasked with providing security to the entourage of Ali Alexander, a leading Stop the Steal pro-Trump activist who denied Biden's election victory.
But Rhodes said Meggs apparently did not follow through on his assignment, and he could not locate Meggs or hear him over the sounds of the crowd once he reached him by cellphone.
It was not until later in the day, Rhodes said, that he learned Meggs had actually breached the building.
"Was there a plan to go in and disrupt the election?" Rhodes' defense attorney Phillip Linder asked.
"No, never," Rhodes replied.
When Linder asked Rhodes how he reacted to the news that Meggs had breached the Capitol, Rhodes recalled telling him, "That was stupid."
Rhodes also denied knowing any of the details about the QRF establishment in Virginia.
During cross-examination on Monday, prosecutor Kathryn Rakoczy showed the jury text messages between Rhodes and other Oath Keepers in the lead-up to January 6.
In one text to Rhodes, Meggs says he is busy setting up a QRF.
"Ok, we will have a QRF," Rhodes responded on January 2. "This situation calls for it."
Rhodes said some of the messages about the QRF were exchanged in a group chat where he did not always read everything, though he acknowledged being the administrator of the chat.
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